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Posted by MackyTrajan November 10, But my backup plan back in the day when Reagan was schooling Carter was to do English Lit. It's not about education or the liberal arts:. As far as contemporary writers and the academy: Add me to the list of women with useless degrees who are gainfully employed. Did anyone else question whether or not TLP actually wrote this?
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Food stamps are the government's biggest nutrition-assistance program for low-income people and, along with federal unemployment benefits, a key support system for the most vulnerable Americans.
More than three-quarters of households getting food stamps include a child, elderly person or someone with a disability.
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SNAP gets a lot of use: Statistics show that roughly half of all U. The USDA estimates that, as of last year, nearly 15 percent of American families, or 18 million households, lacked enough food at least some of the time to ensure that all family members could stay healthy. Another group with lots of members in SNAP: Census Bureau data show that, in , some , former U. Benefits are means-tested, meaning that poorer households receive larger benefits The formula used to calculate payments assumes that families will spend 30 percent of their net income on food.
With the vast majority of SNAP beneficiaries already destitute, the diminished assistance would hurt in the best of times. But the Great Recession has thrown millions more people into poverty, including a growing segment of working poor.
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The USDA has calculated that food stamps generate an even bigger bang for the buck. So pinching food stamp recipients also will squeeze the broader U. Among other effects, that could dent revenues for the nearly , groceries and supermarkets around the country that accept SNAP payments, potentially affecting everyone from store workers and truck drivers delivering food to consumers, as food sellers raise prices to offset the loss of revenue.
Meanwhile, research suggests that reducing food aid could not only increase hunger, but also undermine public health. In a six-year study, Children's HealthWatch, a nonpartisan pediatric research center, recently found that young children in families that got SNAP benefits were at significantly lower risk of being underweight, which is linked with poor nutrition, and of developmental delays. She has found that since food stamps were introduced in the s, women in the program have seen a reduction in low-weight births and a decrease in infant mortality.
Families that get food stamps are also able to eat more healthfully and are less likely to skip doctor's visits to pay for food, housing and other basic needs. It is paid for entirely by the federal government, although administrative costs are shared by states. That said, I agree that a lot of "college education" is a waste, but we're dealing with year old's who don't have a lot of experience with life Posted by Matt November 10, 5: Posted by b-nasty November 10, 5: I'm generally okay with supporting those in need -- true need -- but something just feels wrong with allowing tax-payer funded benefits to be used frivolously on junk food or pricey 'organic' rip-offs.
For the price of the two serving, processed, soy junk purchased at Whole Foods Whole Paycheck , another family could buy 10lbs of regular, supermarket hamburger and feed their family for a week. Why should the family that doesn't qualify for SNAP be forced to shop smart and buy what they can afford, while the hipster gets to shop wherever with his 'free' money.
The USDA already calculates average food prices for the essentials all over the country. Why not audit the SNAP spending such that only stores that offer choices that match what is laid out are allowed? Posted by Io November 10, 5: It's not true that English majors can't get "real" jobs. Who do you think works in advertising, just to name one option? The trouble with the liberal arts is that there's no system in place that leads towards finding a job You know, like there is for the sciences.
Liberal arts students have to figure it out on their own, without having their hands held, the way a medical student would. But just to say that English majors are unemployable is ridiculous. I'm sure you know plenty of former English majors who have jobs.
The path to get there is just a bit rockier and less predictable. Of course it doesn't help that universities encourage their liberal arts students to be impractical. That's a huge problem in need of fixing. But the problem is not the subject matter--not everyone can be an engineer.
Posted by Anonymous November 10, 6: November 10, 6: The point isn't that English majors are unemployable, but that they are no more employable for having their English degrees. Which were very expensive, and both ate up four to seven years of their life and four to seven years of what might have been work experience for a resume and four to seven years of their future income by indebting themselves for it.
The solution to this is not more systems and hand-holding. Medical students, sans hand-holding, would still find jobs, because they have useful skills. This is not the case for English Majors. I can't help but feel you missed the major point if the race part is what you want to talk about Posted by tornpapernapkin November 10, 6: Posted by Hugh November 10, 6: And I grew an inch intellectually when I started to see Salon articles for what they are after having spent half a decade on the cesspool of a site.
It wasn't long after leaving them that I stopped reading the New Yorker, although they still send me the damn thing every week a full year after my subscription expired - TLP helped me understand why they would still send it to me.
All that said, this article still hit me square in the balls. Posted by Matt November 10, 7: November 10, 7: Posted by tornpapernapkin November 10, 7: I have to agree about the prices as the ethnic grocery. When I was a minimum wage red-state living coed trying to get my MRS. Here, spices cost two dollars instead of twenty, making a diet of rice, jalapenos, 80 cent cans of black beans, and the occasional vegetable as affordable as a calorie rich nutrient poor diet consisting primarily of Williams fried chicken and MD Why do we assume that the poor budget badly?
Being white and educated means you probably have a better sense of what you should be eating. Your more privileged upbringing taught you about eating your veggies, likely even by osmosis.
It probably also helped you get your Crohn's disease diagnosed! To be honest, I can't seem to stop thinking that blaming white middle class man's lack of employment on THEM is a strange change. Wow, so now white guys are subject to the same kind of scrutiny other people are when unemployed. I'm sure they drive Cadillacs or have a fur coat some where too! Posted by Anonymous November 10, 7: Posted by AlexeyConrad November 10, 7: This knife cuts both ways.
A person who sees another person as more than he is can, and often have, used their symbolic importance for horrific acts. Take the Romanov family for example, Russian Revolutionaries refused to see the Romanov children as exactly that, as children. So they were slaughtered because of their Symbolic importance, as Royals, instead of being seen as mere innocent children.
I take a certain satisfaction that this will never be something you understand, but will always happen. Posted by Joe November 10, 8: November 10, 8: As far as contemporary writers and the academy: The irony, of course, is that many of those same MFA-incubated authors and later MFA teachers rail against confining and conformist institutions.
Likewise, in your blog post I see someone using arcane Lacanian theory to denounce the worth of higher education. Who gets rich learning about the real, the symbolic, and the imaginary in grad school seminars? Well, no one except Zizek, and perhaps TLP if he sells that book or somehow gets enough people to buy low-production-value podcasts.
But, just as we'd be missing a whole lot of terrific fiction without MFA programs, we wouldn't have TLP's generally fun commentary without the academic institutions that support and perpetuate the intellectual activity that underpins his ideas even if he would never actually acknowledge those sources in his writing. Posted by dave November 10, 8: There are a lot of hipsters near where I live. I don't begrudge the ones I see working much, they actually produce really good food and some pretty aesthetically pleasing watering holes.
There is one thing that set me off though. I went on a date with a hipster chick and asked her about all this hipster stuff because I was unfamiliar. Specifically I asked her about a guy at the bar that had stretched his ear lops way down to below his neck. I couldn't understand thing. It was ugly and it looked like he mutilated himself. When I asked her why he had done it she said, "why not? Posted by Anonymous November 10, 8: People with BAs had more opportunities in the past 50ss and getting a BA costs an order of magnitude greater than it did then.
I've forgone attending university because I'm allergic to the notion of taking out a large portion of credit. If you adhere to some kind of political economy consisting rational self-interested actors with perfect information, I'm all ears. The only people I know who are willing to acknowledge that attending college is a shitty deal and that the system is set up to bilk you are the recent grads with service sector jobs. None of them collect food stamps.
Consequently, the entire political leadership and every last person in this society over the age of 35 is sincerely and quite fervently committed to the notion that we're still living in economically mobile boom years and that the recession amounts to an aberration.
In light of this, what's the difference between aiming low in the job market construction LOL and exploiting the system that has no use for you anyway? You have to be joking. While I can't say that you aren't completely wrong, that there are a certain number of people who don't want to work, or go to college with the express purpose of finding a paycheck to marry, the large majority do not. This type of stereotyping is, or should be, beyond your accreditation: No offense, but you should lose your license to practice.
In the state you're in, I think you can do more harm than good by mangling people into pigeon-holes that cut off significant pieces of their functionality. You sir, should get your head straight then get your butt back to school before you ruin anyone else's life in the same way you did your own. The vast majority of BAs are a financially shitty deal. I'm not sure what rock you crawled out from under, but the facts of the past half decade or so bear this out.
And of course -- You're off track: Posted by Naw November 10, 8: Posted by tornpapernapkin November 10, 8: A PhD in philosophy is expected to look back with resentment on the mistake, but to understand why. Posted by HippyLongStockings November 10, 9: November 10, 9: College, often, leads to better things.
I agree that people should be practical about college and not get into outrageous amounts of debt over it simply for the sake of an interesting major that has no practical use in the job market. But college is how people become doctors, lawyers, etc. Even if hipsters are broke right now, they may use that degree to become gasp! It is a very tough economy. There are people who were science majors who are working two jobs and I mean minimum wage ones in order to make ends meet.
Believe it or not, a college degree can actually hurt you if you are over qualified for what it available. Posted by thestage November 10, 9: I'm not trying to invalidate what you're saying, but your message is the same as everyone else's.
Fall in line, give the system a nice long blowjob and hope you do a good enough job for it to throw some cash at you after blowing on your face.
And if you're lucky, maybe you won't even be 65 and ready to die when that time comes. The difference is the audience, you're not writing for Johnny Business Grad, you're writing for Gerry the hipster though I become less and less inclined to think your ideal reader is your actual reader. His dad is either a wallflower or the guy who calls him a fucking hippie; you're calling him a fucking hippie and then dropping DFW or Nietzsche to code him into not tuning you out.
Maybe it's not worth throwing your life away to spite daddy society and mommy education the coddling liar , but remember, both daddy and mommy have failsafes, they anticipate you reacting how you react, they code it into their message, the countersign, the blowback.
And if I take Daddy TLP's advice which I can't, which you know, which you've directly written about , the best I can hope to become is a fake version of screaming Alec Baldwin.
There is no difference, except inside, where you do it for ten years and then come back to Daddy TLP when it suddenly dawns on you that you are miserable.
This post is a drug, it serves the same end as the pills you will shove down my throat if I stop the pretense and swallow the cum. It is very, very hard for me to not want to be a failure, because it is very, very hard to see anything worth winning. Posted by weare November 10, 9: Posted by Anonymous November 10, November 10, If you are hopeless, but pacified by the illusion that this person could "understand" you then you are not an agent of any kind of change.
Not even in your own small life. Posted by MackyTrajan November 10, I'm not really in the position to answer this specifically, but advertising jobs are probably given to people who show aptitude for advertising; i. I don't think advertising companies even care if someone has a B. It may be that the English grad has an aptitude for advertising, but trust me, it isn't because of the degree.
It is a rocky, unpredictable road out there for ALL grads, but if you know that advertising is your passion, why not do something advertising related right now? It's just nebulous as to where to start. I'm studying a hard science degree not because I wouldn't rather do anything else, but because the uncertainty of the future has admittedly got me worrying about money.
Posted by TheUnderwearBandit November 10, I have wondered whether if he had written more about life and death, would he have offed himself? If you are having suicidal ideations perhaps focusing thousands of pages on irony is not the way to go. Posted by Clarissa November 10, This is ridiculous, I live in Texas and I am on food stamps but in order to even qualify for them you have to WORK a minimum of 20 hours a week and you have to provide enough evidence about your moneyary situation to prove you need assistance.
Maybe you should look at the provisions of food stamps required by states before cashing us college students as freeloaders. Posted by thestage November 10, Posted by Larry November 10, Posted by Gary November 10, Posted by Anonymous November 11, November 11, He is not polishing the system's pole in any way, nor is he necessarily suggesting to fall in line. This whole post reads like a kneejerk reaction.
I certainly realize what a contentious issue this is. You could call this a strawman -- or shadowboxing with a figure from pop culture -- and I'd partly agree with you. It's the inauthenticity of the posture and the massive sense of entitlement it takes that makes them loathsome.
These are not interesting people by and large, but consumers of interesting things. Posted by Ot November 11, 1: November 11, 1: They're not black, after all. Hell, one of the two in the article is even Asian. Posted by Anonymous November 11, 2: November 11, 2: On the contrary, I am much more skilled at what I do than other people because of my liberal arts education.
Can everyone be a copy editor? If everyone could be a copy editor or a proofreader, they wouldn't exist. How many science students could read through an ad and make the writing better or correct flow an style in an article? Everything that's written needs to be proofread, and people get paid to do it. That's just ONE career that an English major can have. A medical student can't do my job. And I'm sure you understand that there is lot more writing done in the world than writing novels.
Technical writing, for example. Two pretty worthless degrees, right? But I have a skillset and a career path just the same, it's just taken me longer to get to it because when I was an undergrad the message I got from my professors was that if you love what you study, money will find you. Navigating the job market is a skill in itself, and it should be a part of higher education But liberal arts students aren't taught this skill set, so it's not that their education is worthless, it's that they start out with a handicap.
A medical student who doesn't get shown by his supervisors when and how to apply for residencies or what have you is probably going to commit career suicide, employable skills or not. You have to know how to play the game.
No one is going to come to your house and offer you a job as a doctor--they're not in that much demand. And it's possible to get an affordable and decent college education. State schools are perfectly adequate. Posted by Anonymous November 11, 3: November 11, 3: Posted by qerplonk November 11, 4: November 11, 4: Posted by Anonymous November 11, 4: Before everyone has a a cow, I just want to point out that single mothers on FS have a much easier time being out and about job hunting or taking their kid to the doctor if there is the possibility that they can stop and get a meal or a drink.
Poor people are often using mass transit too, so it can take them a lot longer to go from place to place. So they might get hungry.
It also helps to be able to soothe a cranky kid who is being dragged all over running errands or whatever since his mom can't afford a babysitter. In some cities, there are restaurants for the homeless that accept FS, giving a thoroughly disfranchised person the change to take a break and have a nice meal and get out just like anyone else.
If a lot of poor people are on disability, which they are, and can't afford much in the way of social activities, especially if they are mentally ill where socializing can help their mental health, I don't see why this should not be so.
Soapboxes always lead me to these long winded run on sentences, sorry. I also do not see why any person shouldn't be able to shop wherever they want, including whole foods, with FS. It's not like these people even have the choice of eating, I don''t know, coq au vin even four times a month.
And finally, if anyone is curious what people get on FS, how much when factors like kids and rent is figured in, Illinois has a SNAP calculator online.
Posted by Anonymous November 11, 5: November 11, 5: James Richardson presumably learned something about poetry while at college studying writing. I thought perhaps you meant New Yorker writers or something because that at least narrows things a bit. Posted by isomorphismes November 11, 6: November 11, 6: I think there's a very obvious answer why kids major in P or Q instead of R or S like they "should". It's a three-part obvious answer. Adults are lying to them, because education is a profitable business that relies on getting young people to work away for a lot of money later, paid for a long time, on promises made now, that generate super-super-senior debt.
It's too profitable to throw up a chaff screen that says, e. Nobody gives good career advice. What are the qualifications to become a guidance counselor or career advisor? As far as I can tell the people who do these things couldn't get any job that I would want. Given a nebulous understanding, actually a non-understanding, of the causes of career success which everybody possesses--economists and business professors included--who is going to effectively argue that A will cause B?
It all reduces to a "values" question -- and I mean values in the abstract, irrelevant, theoretical, useless sense, not values as they're discovered in the fog of war. Do you "follow your dreams" and where did those dreams come from? All of which is of course poppycock. The solution is pretty obvious to me as well. Indoctrination needs to change in two ways.
First, "learning" is not valuable any more it was for the ancient Mandarins: Second, homogeneity is not your friend and specialisation is. Whether Baldwin's character is an inspiration for the Boiler Room idiots or an affront to the softies or a rehearsed speech, it is true in the story that third prize is you're fired. I think the message is that sales sucks and there are greater forces pushing salesmen to push on you, and, work sucks, and sales sucks.
As other people besides me have argued: Show me someone who doesn't judge what others buy with food stamps and I'll show you someone who's been on food stamps. The choices are constrained in ridiculous ways, like it's possible to buy candy or Pringles but not toothpaste or shampoo or toilet paper.
You can't buy hot prepared food that would be like getting to eat out but can by cold prepared food. You can buy shrimp or caviar if the store carries it and you can expect the eye from the cashier. You can't buy alcohol, obviously. I think the reason it is this way is: Here's a question that's appropriate to this blog: Posted by sunny day November 11, 8: November 11, 8: The money for food stamps comes out of a big pool of tax money.
You don't get to decide who gets food stamps--whoever meets certain eligibility levels gets paid. The point of reading articles about "x group on food stamps" is to get you feeling emotional about something that you can't control. There's always going to be somebody out there that you feel doesn't deserve what they have, and if it wasn't people on food stamps it would be somebody else. Posted by Anonymous November 11, 9: November 11, 9: Also, I get the feeling that the author is in academia and dislikes the current system because it's a ripoff.
However, a lot of "useless" fields are already being eliminated, and the ones that are left are generally career-oriented, so there will be fewer people out there getting degrees in the humanities and more esoteric hard sciences. The change is already coming, partly due to the attitude that "an English degree is only good for castrating men and getting women married, so fuck it. Posted by tornpapernapkin November 11, 9: He can't be an academic. In academia the pain is that the University is dead or dying.
It's now just job training. And the loss of language and history is the dissolution of culture. We're becoming a nation of worker drones with classification papers who have never learned to think. Or I guess if he is an academic as opposed say to some one who is employed tangentially by an academic institution he's quite cynical. Was the role of the University ever to be a trade school?
It was based on class, and it was a part of what separated "us" from "them" and now "they're" here. Also, who are these brats who don't work in college or get scholarships? My useless BA was achieved with 0 debt. It took time and effort. I've always thought the private sector should foot the bill for its worker drones. Draft people out of college. It's clear college can't offer what these people actually need in terms of soft skills. That way colleges can 1. Posted by HP November 11, They do, they're called private universities.
And they cost more, not less, because they're not subsidized. And it's almost impossible to completely get rid of the subsidies, because there's significant federal interest in keeping their fingers in education. Interesting that TLP makes multiple references in this article that would cast TLP as a woman, despite numerous references in other articles that very much cast TLP as a man.
Posted by Donny November 11, That's another trend I've noticed for the last 2 decades: Posted by tornpapernapkin November 11, I guess the gender doesn't matter.
TLP or "Alone" or whoever could also be multiple people. Any time you are reading an author's work you're reading a character and a story. So it's up to the author to create that for you.
The cost of attending a state university has not kept pace with inflation this means mommy and daddy's money does not go very far, and working your way through means 2 jobs, not one , and the job market is absolutely abysmal for new grads. If you believe that there's any social mobility or job security to be had for someone fresh out of college with a BA now, you live in a bubble, end of story. The best you can hope for is to end up creeping your way up in the service sector.
That's assuming I still qualify for a Pell Grant and low interest Stafford loans. I mean, for fucks sake, you have to be quite literally prescient if you plan to study in a university, because the demand for specific fields fluctuates on a year to year basis. Law is an absolutely terrible field to get into now without being well connected. If you plan to teach college at all, enjoy being kept in an adjunct position, never getting tenure, having no benefits whatsoever, commuting hrs a day, and getting paid peanuts relative to your faculty brethren.
In other words, anyone suggesting pursuing "any college degree" in general is not just naive, but a dangerous idiot that will ruin you. Posted by sunny day November 11, I noticed the gender, too--and I was like, "Man, this author is whiny!
Says more about me, the reader, than the author. Posted by Phil A. The different then is between those who just do it, and those who are waiting for things to just happen for them. In that case, the election doesn't matter because you can't vote in a society with more pro-social attitudes.
You can't vote for people to be "doers" and not "wait-ers". You can't vote for people to know how to make something of themselves, from themselves. So inevitably, the system will be broken no matter how close to perfect it ever manages to get. Socialism and capitalism both cannot work unless the people who hold them up make it work. That sounds about right. I would think that the only consolation is that at least those who have it figured out will have an easier time making something of their lives because most other people aren't trying, but the fact is is that when EVERYONE is a doer, all the other doers are better off.
The system flourishes, and the competition leads to greater gains for everyone. Unfortunately there is no silver lining except that perhaps the next generation can learn from the prior's mistakes. This is why, I think, if you are, or plan to become, a parent, it's so important to get your life in order.
Pay off all of your debt first, either start climbing that ladder towards a higher salary, or start working to create your own business. As long as it's something. Because any child who is raised by someone who "doesn't get it" has a severe handicap in life, and they're almost certainly not going to figure it out themselves because there's no impetus or means yet for that to happen.
Posted by b-nasty November 11, I think that's the wrong question. The question hinted at by this blog post is rather: The moral hazard created from assistance programs is that those jobs may be out there, but they are a less desirable choice compared to doing nothing and collecting SNAP. Posted by Anonymous November 11, 1: And under-employment is only meaningless to the ruling class who want you to swallow shit and ask for seconds even after playing by their rules and doing everything everyone told you was right.
Do you actually think you can earn your way out of student debt working 35hrs at Wal-Mart or Starbucks less than 40 to deny you benefits, of course, and so that you qualify for public benefits. You have no clue what you're talking about.
Posted by b-nasty November 11, 1: The student loan debt is a red herring. I'm not saying it isn't a factor in your quality of life, but who incurred the debt to earn a degree with low employment prospects? Under-employment is as meaningless a term as dating someone 'below your league. If you, the seller, can't entice buyers, your product is priced to high relative to its value. You are rich enough to live a life that most of the world can only dream about. Perspective is important; not everyone is making 6-figures.
That said, I agree with your point about the college scam. I thought the ideology favorable to this globalized capitalism and free trade was banking on it to uplift everyone's standard of living? And not turn us into pious market Calvinists thanking the lord that we sure do have it better than someone living in an entirely different socioeconomic context experiencing work and suffering in ways we can't understand? Even when we recognize that it was better in the past, and could easily be better if the political leadership of this country wasn't so god damn stupid?
Posted by DensityDuck November 11, 3: Don't forget the need for social shaming to get people to pay back those student loans. If it's okay to get a loan for two hundred thousand dollars, graduate with a degree in Film Studies, and then just blow off the loan because "hey man I can't find a job", then the world will burn down. Despite everyone's slick modern attitude that we've totally moved beyond Puritan morality, the credit system is dependent on it.
Posted by anon November 11, 3: What he's saying is that it is NOT "very tough out there right now. All these jobs that have been deleted since are never coming back, because they're not needed today or ever. Many of these jobs are ones that used to be performed by the newly undergraduated. Maybe what we're seeing is that the war on poverty is over and we won. The people who are in miserable sleep-on-the-street poverty are, increasingly, those who made specific choices to live that way--the guy who goes on a three-day drunk when he gets his welfare check and spends the rest of the month bumming for change, the woman who "feels confined" when she stays in the halfway house that won't let her smoke meth.
The goods of comfortable happy life are available in abudance, nearly free, to the point where someone can have all of them and still think "man, I'm fuckin' poor ".
Posted by tornpapernapkin November 11, 3: Are those people you mention really "choosing" poverty or failing to choose and failing to change the behavior that screws them? Posted by isomorphismes November 11, 3: I don't think it's "wrong", just on a totally different internal axis than the "justice" external angle you're taking. Not arguing with what you said, just orthogonal.
Not sure I agree. You're assuming these people are making a rational and realistic assessment of actions and consequences. If you don't know what you're choosing, or why, or how it will effect you You're not improving, you're not changing, and you're not doing anything useful And you definitely can't be said to be choosing consequences you don't know.
You're simply following the status quo. Furthermore, you're simply following the status quo just like everyone else I see it as a red herring for another reason. These two people have equal incomes but probably very different lives in terms of social class, borrowing ability, future "breakout" potential, and how engaging their work is. TV dinners are a weird example because they're for the lazy. Cabbage, potatoes, legumes, and eggs would be my example for cheap food.
It might take another economic collapse for the writing on the wall to become clearer to the white suburbanites posting here. Please do not partake of the loathsome socialism of "Obamacare" when you decide that it's time to pull your head up and have the sand flushed out of your ears.
Posted by Lucas Gray November 11, 4: Posted by tornpapernapkin November 11, 4: Believe it or not they don't let just anyone teach these days. In fact, a lot of teachers now have a Master's degree, and often they want you to have majored in education. Posted by thestage November 11, 4: Posted by Lucas Gray November 11, 5: As far as I can tell, what you're communicating in this post is this: I know there's meant to be a Part 2 coming, and I'm hoping it resolves this, but pointing out that English majors have bleak futures, while failing to mention that this is the case for basically everyone, is perniciously dishonest, not to mention useless.
Posted by DensityDuck November 11, 6: Posted by tornpapernapkin November 11, 6: You are missing the point. Most of us are lazy, we want health and nutrition to be easy. If not its too hard. They use coffee creamer and such. Yes, you as a dietician should be ashamed at the host chemicals that are in foods you condone.
No wonder those trying to lose weight never actually learn how to eat healthy. If people in third world countries and Army rangers can live on grasshoppers and worms and be healthy and strong enough to survive and even fight back, then so can you.
So the reality is that it comes down to inclination, determination, willpower. Do you want to be strong and healthy? Do you want to have a heart attack instead? Are you willing to do what it takes change the way you live in order to have a better life?
When you do that you encourage them to make excuses and point to scapegoats to avoid that responsibility and pass it off on some heart-bypass surgeon and those that foot the medical bill. Such behavior is disgraceful as it allows and encourages this problem to continue. Along with that, they feel deprived without that twinkie. To make matters worse, these same children often receive a bag full of food for weekends and holidays, and its more processed crap. So, its not always because someone is lazy.
We have got to stop the government from being so easily bought by these large food corporations that they are ruining the health of our youth as well. A patient explained to me when you are poor you eat to fill up. Grass hoppers and worms might work if that is all that is out there.
But someone who is poor will not care as much about eating an apple or greens as they want to fill up not knowing when the next meal will come. Folks who say it is easy for poor to eat healthy have likely not been poor or worked with the poor closely.
When you see under weight teens living in tents, working, going to school, starving ready to pass out… any dietician worth her salt is not going to lecture the child or family to only eat whole foods. As whole foods are not always available. They have to eat what they can find. Lynn sounds like she is in the treaches helping people few care about or see. I would challenge anyone here to criticizes Lynn to find a low income struggling family and ask if you can help them.
Find a homeless person and spend some time talking to them before you criticize them. All that said Food Babe rocks. I am noticing some organic farms donating to shelters and food shelves. Soup kitchens are working to incorporate better quality fresh foods to serve.
Is anyone here helping do this? June My grandmother picked cotton as a child in the depression and my family ate squirrel and fish we caught ourselves. You articulated the problem yourself, but apparently coddle it rather than realizing it's a misconception:. Aside from there being 'food deserts' this is the main problem.
Any nutritionist that is actually doing their job would tell these people that if they eat to fill themselves rather than nourish themselves they will fill up on empty low-nutrient calories and be fat but malnourished. American Indians didn't know when their next meal would come either- so they feasted on nutrient dense food like buffalo- not soybeans.
Any decent nutritionist will tell you if you buy quantity over quality you pay more for it and stay tired and hungry. Try to burn the fat off and you just run yourself ragged and feel tired and hungry some more. Same amount of energy calories in a twinkie as in a pear. You wanna know a little secret- I can tell you for a fact, a pear will fill you up more fiber is a good thing than a GMO soy and corn twinkie.
They might cost a bit more but the nutrients you get from that pear will keep you and your kids going strong while you fast, rather than sluggish and slow and passing out 30min later. I know people that think I have a more money to spend on organic just because that's what I do. I just know what a budget is. They get two or three burgers etc. They spend more on pop tarts than I do even when I'm having pasture raised eggs and goat cheese and grass fed milk etc.
What's more is those people that think I eat "rabbit food" can't keep up. They're about to pass out after not eating for 4hrs and I can go all day because when I do eat, I make sure to eat the most nutrient dense wholesome food I can.
Any nutritionist that doesn't try to break through that programmed disconnect with reality is just sleeping on the job in my view. I budget and plan and it's not easy in and of itself but it's not any easier than traveling that same 30mi as my relatives do every week to waste your life and money at Wal-Mart for their groceries on top of eating junk from some fast food joint every day.
It's surprisingly easy; easier than people tend to think especially if you have discipline. Most poor who live in inner cities are not going to hunt squirrels or fish, its illegal in city parks. The poor who rely on food stamps many of them working poor simply try to get the most food for their money. That may last as snacks for a month. You act as though poor folks are sitting in nutrition classes regularly!
I was educated but had no resources. Grapes and cookies are mostly sugar so if you want snacks that actually go far you want something with fiber. A good snack would be something like puffed barley and yogurt etc. But that takes discipline many do not have. Hi Vani, As registered dietitians with a combined 17 years of nutrition education and professional experience in the field, we appreciate your passion for nutrition and wish everyone would take such an interest in what they eat.
However, we do take issue with creating fear surrounding foods that have not been proven to be a detriment to health ie. As nutrition professionals, we agree all calories are not created equal, and the body is a complex metabolic system; however, vilifying a broad range of convenient, healthy foods only serves to create a sense of guilt surrounding food choices for those who cannot afford or do not have the time to make your homemade versions as described above.
We remain strongly against the fear mongering tactics you utilize in your posts. We encourage everyone to think critically about nutrition research and trends. This includes both the big food industry and nutrition investigators such as yourself. See my above post. You are duped and perpetuating the lies.
And have been doing so for 17 years. Are you truly ignorant about the harm from artificial sweetners. I get the idea of a balanced diet and we all need GOOD carbs — the better fuel he provides for his body the less insulin he must inject — the prospective from these dieticians were far different than that — basically the message he received was, eat more fruits and veggies than you have and adjust you insulin levels to compensate for the other crap you ingest…..
Good day to you Vani, Tara and Lauren. It was close to two years past, that Dr. Mercola wrote an extensive article revealing his concern over the complications of the educational integrity of such seminars provided by the Food Industry ies. It was disheartening to read how massive the food industry really is and the infrastructure that it takes to run it.
Look collectively and critically at the president, the FDA and monsanto. See what they have been doing or not doing over the past few years. In the last few months, I have read several articles revealing that American Companies are creating and selling Organic products over in Europe but not here in our own country; double standard anybody?
Can anyone please tell me where artificial sweetners show up in Organic food. Where are they in a God created apple? While currently writing a cookbook on eating organic, one big fact that I can share is that it is not expensive. Just like Vani says and has always said, it does take work and effort to eat right Eating right is no accident. It is an acquired skill. Start creating your health library; buy used books. I tell people to buy two or three books per year. In two years, you are on your way.
Two good books to get started:: It has been translated into Spanish as well. If you have to , go borrow the book from your neighbor I can tell you that most folks tell me somewhere between six to eight weeks, they began noticing changes for the good..
One lady told me it took over a year to turn the corner towards good health… Wow! Sometimes it takes some second effort to get things done the right way. Buying bulk foods is the only way to fly. They were sick, the medical intervention s were not working, their health was not improving, the drug interactions were getting worse, they were overweight and usually in chronic pain.
They read the book and never looked back. I would see them each, husband and wife, walk by my booth at the market carrying two bags of bulk food. They all say the same thing. The answer now for them is very clear. A few more facts:: All the big five killers of Americans are still rising even after all the medical and pharmo advancements. Anyone that eats according to the American Inflammatory Diet is bound to create chronic inflammation.
Chronic Inflammation leads to chronic disease. The food industry is not going change what they are doing because they are making too much money…drag their feet at your expense.. Fight back by not buying their political propaganda or their product s. Eat bulk foods fruits vegetables…nuts, healthy fats and grass fed…. It may take some time but buying organic is the smart way. Perhaps get a group of people to buy large bulk in quantity items to save money Azure Standard.
Possible to grow some of your own. Talk with your friends,. If their is a will…there is a way.. Please know that the books I mention, are not perfect for everyone but they are indeed a great place to start. Do the time, four to six weeks, and see for yourself. In time you will know the truth. Remember this… you may lose a battle or two, but stay firm on winning the war. Your prize is getting your life and health back! Remember, I am not telling you to be perfect.
Never missed a meal…never went hungry. Beware of the naysayers!!! I hope and pray that this finds fertile ground in your hearts and minds…God Bless you and God Bless America!!! She is not spreading fear.. And in the meantime, I choose not to be the lab rat in this experiment.
You can always find a scientist to agree or disagree with you, so in that way, nothing can ever be proven. You go with your gut instinct. And yes, if you are feeding your unsuspecting children garbage, you should feel guilt. Money is not an issue, most of the best foods are cheap bulk whole grain rice and lentils and oats.
Soups and beans are very cheap and healthy. Frozen vegetables last long. Most people including myself are just either lazy or used to habits. We need to change our habits. Our health depends on it. I totally agree and love all you do! My consistent issue is that my kids, husband, and myself are such picky, picky eaters!!
I usually just cook the best I can, very plain stuff because my family is so picky.